
A New releise from Eerdmans Press
An interview in “The New Evangelicals” by Marcia Pally Professor of multicultual studies at the New York University with Tri Robinson, Senior Pastor, Boise Vineyard Church concerning issues of social justice -
TR: When Jesus first started his public ministry he went to his home town of Nazareth. He entered the temple and was handed the scroll of the prophet Isaiah to be read before the people. He opened it to what we know today as Isaiah 61. He read, “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because the Lord has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives…” and so on. It was a well known messianic passage, and after he had finished he announced that he was the Messiah, and that in a manner of speaking Isaiah’s words would be his job description.
The point is, if healing the brokenhearted, setting the captives free and ministering to the poor was his job description then we believe it is ours as well. This kind of ministry is more needed in the context of today’s world than ever. For example, we live in a world where many are held captive to addictions and extreme poverty and even such atrocities as human trafficking. Here at the Boise Vineyard we hold the conviction that Christians must express the heart of God by helping to be part of the solution to human suffering and world crises.
The world is becoming more hostile every day, not just in man’s inhumanity to man, but environmentally as well. In Matthew 25 Jesus exhorted his followers to minister to the extreme poor when he said, “I was thirsty and you gave me something to eat…” telling them (and us) that to provide clean water for the thirsty is ministry. I never fully understood this passage until my wife and I experienced the extreme poverty in Zambia, Africa a few years ago. It was there that we became aware of just how much of the world’s fresh water is undrinkable, and how it is literally killing people.
MP: Does this reflect a shift in church activism?
TR: I have a personal perspective on why much of the church in America has been negative towards issues of social justice and ministries such as environmental stewardship. I believe the pushback started as far back as the seventies during the Jesus Movement. During that time there was a huge emphasis on eschatology (the study of the end times.) We believed that things like plagues, increased violence and natural disaster were birth pangs of the last days before the second coming of Jesus. We thought that they were just a part of God’s plan. As a result, we put our emphasis on evangelism (getting people to heaven) rather than diving into the crises that caused human suffering.
During that time, some Christians felt that they could better control social change through politics than through ministries of compassion and as a result the religious right was formed. Things rapidly became polarized between what was perceived to be liberal and conservative agendas. Everyone took sides and was willing to die for them. Issues such as social justice and the environment somehow fell on the liberal side of the line and many churches turned their backs on them.
As a pastor I do not believe that telling people how to vote is my job but rather presenting the kingdom of God in such a way that people will want to return to the valid ministry of Jesus. People love our church because we do care for the poor and partner with other agencies that share our conviction on these matters.
MP: What kind?
TR: We work with groups like the Boise Rescue Mission and City Lights (a women’s shelter.) These are Christian groups, but we also work in the local jails and prisons. We have worked with agencies like the Forest Service, Fish and Game as well as a secular environmental conservation group. I was asked to speak at this conservation group’s convention a few years ago even though we have clearly been on opposite sides of the abortion issue. They recognized that I authentically cared about the importance of the environment and overlooked the thing that polarized us.
I don’t want to be perceived as their enemy even though we don’t see eye to eye on every issue. I have even met with our local ACLU leader here in Idaho. I do tend to get angry at the ACLU because I believe they have been illogical about many things I am passionate about. But, I also discovered that by spending some time together we could agree and connect on many other important issues. They care about people, but because of their misconception of who Jesus is, they have seen the Christian church as irrelevant to their cause.
This country was founded on the Christian faith but we are clearly a secular nation now, and to be effective we need to understand it. I do believe every Christian should vote. I think it is an American responsibility, but I never tell our people who to vote for. I believe if they have God’s heart they will figure it out for themselves.
I, for one, would hate to lose my freedom to openly express my faith in a nation that once honestly meant it when they said, “In God we trust.” The truth is that the way things are going, I fear even losing our non-profit tax status. This would really damage our ability to care the poor to the degree that we do. I will admit that there are probably some churches that may not deserve it. Churches were originally granted non-profit status because they were the nation’s welfare agency, and if we are doing what Jesus called us to we still would be. Honestly, I do believe we can do it much more effectively and at a fraction of the cost of government agencies because much of the work is done by volunteers with a heart to serve those in need.
In the case of receiving grant money for specific outreach ministries, it has mostly come through other Christian organizations. But, the largest portion of our financial provision is collected in our Sunday offerings. As stewards that are accountable for the funds we have been given, we have learned to operate with little to no waste. We try to use every penny wisely because we have so few of them.
MP: OK-you don’t take government funds so that you can preserve a religious approach in your ministries. Is that the same for co-religionist hiring?
TR: If we had to hire people who didn’t share our values, it wouldn’t work. We do what we do because of a biblical mandate and a heart to serve God. Outside of that, we would have little motivation.
MP: If someone has your values but isn’t in your church?
TR: We have teachers in our elementary school who aren’t members here and neither is one of our accountants, but they do share our faith in Christ. And, though not on our church payroll, we have worked with Jews and Catholics alike on the environmental issues and have more than once asked a Jewish Rabbi to lead us through a Seder service.
MP: You have said if we take abortion off the table…
TR: …then we can focus on other things. Please understand that abortion is a huge factor for us, especially when it comes to choosing who to vote for. But, I also see that the environment is killing people, especially young children. Over 80 percent of infant mortality in the developing world is water-related. For me that is a ‘sanctity of life’ issue also. In fact our i-61 Ministry–formerly called “Re:Form,” www.i-61.org– has been trying to work on every front. (“i-61” stands for Isaiah 61.) There are seven circles in i-61: world hunger, health, environmental decline, human trafficking and social injustice, illiteracy, corrupt leadership and spiritual deadness. We are in the process of building schools and ministries to prepare people to work in all seven areas. It is our desire to be a model for churches across the country who share our heart for these things. Many pastors are afraid of these ministries because of the stigma of liberalism–which is really crazy in my thinking since they are all so clearly biblical issues.
MP: Do you partner with groups to reduce abortion?
TR: We do, but only those that share our heart to minister in the compassion of Jesus. We actually provide facility space here on our campus to one such agency. But, here is the thing. We believe it is an injustice to tell a young girl who is pregnant, broke and scared not to have an abortion if we’re not willing to stand with her through her crisis. At the clinic we house, Stanton Health Care Clinic, they provide not only counseling but also pre- and post-natal care for those women (many young girls) who find themselves facing an unexpected pregnancy. Through the services provided at the clinic, they lovingly take these young girls by the hand, walking them through the entire process, while providing invaluable support to them as they choose the path of bringing a little one into the world. In the past, many have done otherwise when confronted with this type of situation, and all in the name of Christianity. Unfortunately it may not have expressed the love of Jesus but rather a spirit of condemnation.
Frankly I am saddened that there have been some from our camp that have operated out of an antagonistic judgmental spirit. We must stick to our convictions but we need to teach our people to embrace and operate in the fruits of the Spirit – love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and self control. It’s not just what we say, but also the heart in which it is said. I am grieved at the mean-spiritedness that often comes through some of those who have airtime. Sometimes I think Christians perceive these people as apostles rather than the radio and TV commentators that they really are. We as Christians should be in the trenches serving the broken world instead of reacting and arguing with those we disagree with about the reasons and causes of the crises.
Concerning politics it would be great to see a movement evolve with the righteous values of the conservative right blended with the idealism and heart for the poor of the liberal left.
MP: What does that mean in practice?
TR: That’s the hard part isn’t it? Here is the deal. Change requires what I call a ripple effect. For example, I tell people, “We will never change the global environment if we don’t first change the environment of people’s hearts.” One of the main characteristics of becoming Christ-like is to become others-centered. If I authentically have Christ in my heart, I gain a new worldview. I see others as more important than myself. I clean up the toxic waste in my heart and it affects my thinking which in turn changes my motives. I no longer have the idea that “I want mine and I want it now” but instead desire to preserve things for the sake of future generations. I tell people if you want your kids to value environmental stewardship tell them to clean up their rooms. First our attitudes change then our practices change. We paint our houses and mow our lawns as much for the sake of our neighbors as for our own satisfaction. As we care about our own world around us, eventually we begin to care about the planet for the same reason. It all has to start in the heart. That’s why I’ve dedicated my life to the only thing I know of that changes hearts – and that’s Jesus.
I do struggle with things like the current [Obama] administration’s stimulus package simply because I don’t think it’s going to be good for future generations. In the long run, I think it will simply bring more future financial bondage. Personally I think it would be better to sacrifice now in an effort to deal with our national debt rather than to impose that on our grandchildren and their children. It’s just not forward thinking.
MP: What would you say to a gay couple in a stable, loving relationship?
TR: A gay relationship is not what the Bible spells out as being stable or right. For that reason it’s not okay for me, but then neither is any adulterous relationship. It’s like divorce; the Bible says God hates divorce, but what we must understand is – he in no way hates those who are caught in it. He so loves them that he sacrificed his life for them. He just hates the stuff that takes away from wholeness and spiritual and emotional health. That’s Isaiah 61, “He came to heal the broken hearted.”
MP: What about conscience-based social service refusal?
TR: I believe it is absolutely wrong to not allow doctors the right of refusal to perform abortions if it goes against their convictions. For one thing we will lose many good doctors if this is forced upon them. Many will opt to give up their practice if they are made to go against their religious and ethical convictions when it comes to the sanctity of life and preserving it.
MP: Teaching creationism or intelligent design in public schools?
TR: I used to be a secondary school science teacher before I entered the ministry. I taught it both ways and let my students make up their own minds. I think that’s part of the intellectual process. I for one actually came to my belief in God through science. I can’t see how anyone can closely look at the creation and miss that fact that there must be a creator. Darwinism is a theory. The Bible is based on faith. When a theory attempts to undo or disprove faith, that’s a problem for me. The fact is, though, from my own experience I believe God is much bigger than the bias of a teacher. If parents and the church are doing their job effectively children will eventually discover the truth concerning God and the universe no matter what the world throws at them.
MP: Moments of silence in schools?
TR: Honestly I think in this day and age prayer in schools is a non-issue. A family has to take their responsibility seriously when it comes to teaching faith and values. When I sent my kids to public schools I sent them to get an education. Frankly I didn’t want non-Christian or even nominal-Christian teachers leading them in prayer or teaching them the Bible.
MP: Religious symbols in public places?
TR: It’s ridiculous to take those away. A framed copy of the Ten Commandments in a courtroom is a statement that our country cares about justice and was established in Godliness. If nothing else, it is an historical document. It is another case of the small loud minority imposing their prejudice on the majority.
MP: What about other religions having their symbols?
TR: Forcing a population to take down religious symbols is discrimination and the thought of it offends me. Historically every time a government has forced that issue on its population it has lead to socialism, communism and in the end, bondage and pain.
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